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		<title>By: D</title>
		<link>http://felixlung.com/2009/05/18/star-trek-plot-holes-and-issues/comment-page-1/#comment-29901</link>
		<dc:creator>D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1/2: Valid points. The whole "supernova that absorbs matter and becomes bigger" isn&#39;t unheard of though, it&#39;s similar to the notion behind strange matter, out of quantum physics. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;3: If you saw your entire planet destroyed, and held one person responsible for it, it&#39;s likely you&#39;d want to get back at them too. He actually spends a lot of that 25 years in Rura Penthe, in a scene cut from the movie.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;4: Cardassians may be around in the earlier centuries. Just because we didn&#39;t see them until the 24th century doesn&#39;t mean they didn&#39;t exist.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;5: At this point they had enchanted Romulans before (Earth-Romulan War), they just hadn&#39;t seen them. So when Nero hails them, well, they see them then.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;6: Not a time paradox. They created an alternate reality. That&#39;s the movie&#39;s explanation. No paradoxes there - see Picard in All Good Things. Same concept.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;7: The core, ejected behind the ship and towards the black hole, would have reached the blackhole and thereby exploded before the ship would get sucked in.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;8: True, the Enterprise should&#39;ve just fired on it. But Pike was probably hoping they could disable the drill and escape while the Romulans were distracted - if they opened fire on the drill, Nero would just destroy them.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;9: Subspace doesn&#39;t work on the same principles as space. If it was blocking subspace transmissions, being on the other side of the planet would probably not have helped much. That also would&#39;ve taken time, and risked Nero blowing them out of the sky as they tried to run.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;10: Vulcans likely stopped having the majority of their fleet when the Federation was created, something like 50 or more years before this movie even takes place.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;11:  As you noted earlier, the Vulcan elders haven&#39;t heard anything from space. All they know is that their planet is undergoing seismic activity. They don&#39;t know that there&#39;s a blackhole being formed - nor do they have a means of escaping the planet (which is a bit odd, you&#39;d assume they&#39;d have an escape craft).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;12: The Narada is more powerful, but all the ships warping in didn&#39;t have shields up, making them easy pickings. Fighting a starbase would probably still tax the ship, since all it has are missiles.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;13: The ship is being piloted by most of a class of cadets. The command structure also broke down because Pike named Kirk first officer, which was unprecedented (and more questionable than anything you&#39;ve noted past 1 and 2 so far).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;14: It put its shields up before it took a missile to the face. The other ships going to Vulcan probably didn&#39;t. Why Starfleet sent a dozen or so ships to Vulcan for a geological disturbance is also a problem. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;15: Spock may give them the tech later. But giving technology without explicating how it was developed and how it would be used doesn&#39;t benefit Starfleet much, and while he&#39;s very intelligent, he&#39;s not an android.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;16: If the Enterprise was destroyed, the elders would die anyway when Earth or wherever else was destroyed by Nero.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1/2: Valid points. The whole &#8220;supernova that absorbs matter and becomes bigger&#8221; isn&#39;t unheard of though, it&#39;s similar to the notion behind strange matter, out of quantum physics. </p>
<p>3: If you saw your entire planet destroyed, and held one person responsible for it, it&#39;s likely you&#39;d want to get back at them too. He actually spends a lot of that 25 years in Rura Penthe, in a scene cut from the movie.</p>
<p>4: Cardassians may be around in the earlier centuries. Just because we didn&#39;t see them until the 24th century doesn&#39;t mean they didn&#39;t exist.</p>
<p>5: At this point they had enchanted Romulans before (Earth-Romulan War), they just hadn&#39;t seen them. So when Nero hails them, well, they see them then.</p>
<p>6: Not a time paradox. They created an alternate reality. That&#39;s the movie&#39;s explanation. No paradoxes there - see Picard in All Good Things. Same concept.</p>
<p>7: The core, ejected behind the ship and towards the black hole, would have reached the blackhole and thereby exploded before the ship would get sucked in.</p>
<p>8: True, the Enterprise should&#39;ve just fired on it. But Pike was probably hoping they could disable the drill and escape while the Romulans were distracted - if they opened fire on the drill, Nero would just destroy them.</p>
<p>9: Subspace doesn&#39;t work on the same principles as space. If it was blocking subspace transmissions, being on the other side of the planet would probably not have helped much. That also would&#39;ve taken time, and risked Nero blowing them out of the sky as they tried to run.</p>
<p>10: Vulcans likely stopped having the majority of their fleet when the Federation was created, something like 50 or more years before this movie even takes place.</p>
<p>11:  As you noted earlier, the Vulcan elders haven&#39;t heard anything from space. All they know is that their planet is undergoing seismic activity. They don&#39;t know that there&#39;s a blackhole being formed - nor do they have a means of escaping the planet (which is a bit odd, you&#39;d assume they&#39;d have an escape craft).</p>
<p>12: The Narada is more powerful, but all the ships warping in didn&#39;t have shields up, making them easy pickings. Fighting a starbase would probably still tax the ship, since all it has are missiles.</p>
<p>13: The ship is being piloted by most of a class of cadets. The command structure also broke down because Pike named Kirk first officer, which was unprecedented (and more questionable than anything you&#39;ve noted past 1 and 2 so far).</p>
<p>14: It put its shields up before it took a missile to the face. The other ships going to Vulcan probably didn&#39;t. Why Starfleet sent a dozen or so ships to Vulcan for a geological disturbance is also a problem. </p>
<p>15: Spock may give them the tech later. But giving technology without explicating how it was developed and how it would be used doesn&#39;t benefit Starfleet much, and while he&#39;s very intelligent, he&#39;s not an android.</p>
<p>16: If the Enterprise was destroyed, the elders would die anyway when Earth or wherever else was destroyed by Nero.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 01:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very belated comments...  Firstly you&#39;ve said just about everything that needs to be said but I&#39;ll toss in a few more that I picked up elsewhere and have myself thought of.  I&#39;m sick and tired of time paradoxes and the fact that Abrams relies on this old canard shows how lazy he is... or is he simply "lost".   Once can only take this crap so much before you want to scream. "enough already".  How is it that a mining ship gets cast back into time and supposedly destroys war fleets on more than one occasion?  Why waste decades waiting or screwing off when you already know the future and can possibly save your planet?  Drill platform needs to punch a hole in a planet in order to insert a drop of red matter that pretty much doesn&#39;t give a damn whether you drilled a hole or not.  Why not launch torpedoes with the goop on board!  Enterprise engine room scenes look like we&#39;re in a warehouse with even liquid lying around the floor!  Scotty materializes in a coolant tube and you&#39;d think it would be so frigging HOT it would boil a human alive wouldn&#39;t you?  Planetary defenses for Earth?  Only the ships that were vaporized by a MINING vessel?  Jeeez!  Here is a winner.... Vulcans have been exploring the galaxy for quite some time but manage to park 99.9% of themselves on the home world leaving a minute number in the tens of thousands elsewhere.  Is that for religious reasons?  Planetary defenses for Vulcan?  Battle Cruisers? Hello!  Anybody home?! Anybody?  Younger Spock getting his emotional "freak" on with Uhura?  Give me a break!  Not gonna happen.  And so the story goes.... I left feeling as though Abrams, while doing a noteworthy job of turning out an exciting "story" for the ignorant and easily bamboozled, exercised literary necrophilia with the Star Trek canon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very belated comments&#8230;  Firstly you&#39;ve said just about everything that needs to be said but I&#39;ll toss in a few more that I picked up elsewhere and have myself thought of.  I&#39;m sick and tired of time paradoxes and the fact that Abrams relies on this old canard shows how lazy he is&#8230; or is he simply &#8220;lost&#8221;.   Once can only take this crap so much before you want to scream. &#8220;enough already&#8221;.  How is it that a mining ship gets cast back into time and supposedly destroys war fleets on more than one occasion?  Why waste decades waiting or screwing off when you already know the future and can possibly save your planet?  Drill platform needs to punch a hole in a planet in order to insert a drop of red matter that pretty much doesn&#39;t give a damn whether you drilled a hole or not.  Why not launch torpedoes with the goop on board!  Enterprise engine room scenes look like we&#39;re in a warehouse with even liquid lying around the floor!  Scotty materializes in a coolant tube and you&#39;d think it would be so frigging HOT it would boil a human alive wouldn&#39;t you?  Planetary defenses for Earth?  Only the ships that were vaporized by a MINING vessel?  Jeeez!  Here is a winner&#8230;. Vulcans have been exploring the galaxy for quite some time but manage to park 99.9% of themselves on the home world leaving a minute number in the tens of thousands elsewhere.  Is that for religious reasons?  Planetary defenses for Vulcan?  Battle Cruisers? Hello!  Anybody home?! Anybody?  Younger Spock getting his emotional &#8220;freak&#8221; on with Uhura?  Give me a break!  Not gonna happen.  And so the story goes&#8230;. I left feeling as though Abrams, while doing a noteworthy job of turning out an exciting &#8220;story&#8221; for the ignorant and easily bamboozled, exercised literary necrophilia with the Star Trek canon.</p>
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		<title>By: glangmead</title>
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		<dc:creator>glangmead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just saw this last night. You certainly captured a lot of the problems I had with the story as well. It was nowhere near as strong a story as we should expect from a serious attempt to resuscitate the franchise. And here&#39;s the other thing that bothers me, which is the silliness of this movie. None of the characters are taken seriously by the script! They&#39;re mostly one-dimensional. Sulu, Chekov and Scotty are practically comic relief. Except when Sulu and Kirk are on the platform, and then Sulu&#39;s a martial arts action hero. And no one seems to have any difficulties in a crisis... Chekov stares at the screen and through his genius manages to transport Kirk and Sulu back to the ship (where their momentum is magically removed and they barely hit the floor very hard at all -- but maybe I just don&#39;t understand transporters). Later, Chekov figures out how to hide in Saturn, which is close to typical Star Trek technobabble but still silly. And Scotty with that warp core trick... I mean, are they silly or are they geniuses? Either way, that&#39;s not what made these characters interesting before. They had *teams* under them, they had a work ethic, nothing came easily, know what I&#39;m saying?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just saw this last night. You certainly captured a lot of the problems I had with the story as well. It was nowhere near as strong a story as we should expect from a serious attempt to resuscitate the franchise. And here&#39;s the other thing that bothers me, which is the silliness of this movie. None of the characters are taken seriously by the script! They&#39;re mostly one-dimensional. Sulu, Chekov and Scotty are practically comic relief. Except when Sulu and Kirk are on the platform, and then Sulu&#39;s a martial arts action hero. And no one seems to have any difficulties in a crisis&#8230; Chekov stares at the screen and through his genius manages to transport Kirk and Sulu back to the ship (where their momentum is magically removed and they barely hit the floor very hard at all &#8212; but maybe I just don&#39;t understand transporters). Later, Chekov figures out how to hide in Saturn, which is close to typical Star Trek technobabble but still silly. And Scotty with that warp core trick&#8230; I mean, are they silly or are they geniuses? Either way, that&#39;s not what made these characters interesting before. They had *teams* under them, they had a work ethic, nothing came easily, know what I&#39;m saying?</p>
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		<title>By: Sinfanti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sinfanti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 01:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent list.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Addendum to Point #3: Apparently he&#39;s not so bright, because in that 25 years of waiting it never occurred to him to travel to Romulus and tell them to evacuate before the calamity 100+ years later.  Sure it would create a paradox, but what&#39;s one more when the writers don&#39;t care about them in the first place.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;An excellent movie, just as long as I don&#39;t let myself think too much (which in this case seems to be at all).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent list.</p>
<p>Addendum to Point #3: Apparently he&#39;s not so bright, because in that 25 years of waiting it never occurred to him to travel to Romulus and tell them to evacuate before the calamity 100+ years later.  Sure it would create a paradox, but what&#39;s one more when the writers don&#39;t care about them in the first place.</p>
<p>An excellent movie, just as long as I don&#39;t let myself think too much (which in this case seems to be at all).</p>
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		<title>By: scorchedearth</title>
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		<dc:creator>scorchedearth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you very much for your thorough criticism of the movie. I had problems with the mediocre plot line and the rehashing of cheap themes. For my opinions, I have been vilified by the insipid masses who know nothing of good complex stories with overlapping plot threads that are coherent and form a larger story - none of which this movie had.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This movie was moderately entertaining at best. It was certainly not a Star Trek movie. It was an action movie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much for your thorough criticism of the movie. I had problems with the mediocre plot line and the rehashing of cheap themes. For my opinions, I have been vilified by the insipid masses who know nothing of good complex stories with overlapping plot threads that are coherent and form a larger story - none of which this movie had.</p>
<p>This movie was moderately entertaining at best. It was certainly not a Star Trek movie. It was an action movie.</p>
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		<title>By: Ramius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ramius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 05:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Double Amen! Agree with all points and Thomas&#39; as well.  This is not a Star Trek movie... it is an action movie... that is it.  I am not like the hard core Trekkies but for God&#39;s sake I like some consistency, good story line and plot development instead of in jokes thrown all around (Red matter - as in from Alias?).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The movie was good, but doesn&#39;t reach Dark Knight levels to reboot the franchise, which in the end is a solely profit-making endeavor that disregards previous story lines and canon.  Rebadge the whole thing to Galaxy Quest and change the names and you&#39;d get the same thing..... a good action movie....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Double Amen! Agree with all points and Thomas&#39; as well.  This is not a Star Trek movie&#8230; it is an action movie&#8230; that is it.  I am not like the hard core Trekkies but for God&#39;s sake I like some consistency, good story line and plot development instead of in jokes thrown all around (Red matter - as in from Alias?).</p>
<p>The movie was good, but doesn&#39;t reach Dark Knight levels to reboot the franchise, which in the end is a solely profit-making endeavor that disregards previous story lines and canon.  Rebadge the whole thing to Galaxy Quest and change the names and you&#39;d get the same thing&#8230;.. a good action movie&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 17:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen, brother.  I am getting so sick of the rave reviews this movie is getting.  I am not a die hard Trek fan.  I didn&#39;t even notice that Uhura ordered a Cardassian drink, nor would I have cared if I had.  But the rest of what you say is spot on.  The most that you can say for this movie is that it had excellent effects.  Everything else about it was awful.  Plot holes galore, poor character development, and way too many coincidences for me to be able to suspend my disbelief.  Keep on keeping on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen, brother.  I am getting so sick of the rave reviews this movie is getting.  I am not a die hard Trek fan.  I didn&#39;t even notice that Uhura ordered a Cardassian drink, nor would I have cared if I had.  But the rest of what you say is spot on.  The most that you can say for this movie is that it had excellent effects.  Everything else about it was awful.  Plot holes galore, poor character development, and way too many coincidences for me to be able to suspend my disbelief.  Keep on keeping on.</p>
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